Talk:Chrom's father

I oppose keeping this article as there is really nothing on Chrom's father. He has no name and no characterization, Chrom's father is a terrible name for an article and "Chrom's father" isn't even what the game calls him. Everything we know about him is summarized in The Exalt and the King.

Not only that, but Chrom's father isn't even relevant to Gangrel's story, Gangrel's true motivation was to unite the continent to fight Valm and than to make the whole world suffer because he suffered in the slums of Plegia. The only real character in the story, the previous Ylisse affected was Emmeryn. Emperor Hardin (talk) 01:01, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Even if some additional material somewhere says Gangrel was lying about his motivations, Chrom's Father is still relevant to his story, as it's what he cites as the justification for his war. This being authentic or not, from the view of an encyclopedia, is not relevant as even if a character is lying, the fact that they said it is the important thing. In fact, if there's evidence he is lying that means there is more content for the article, not less. Jotari (talk) 12:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Gangrel gives his motivations here and in his supports, all make it clear that the crusade never affected him at all. Similarly the other Plegian characters like Henry, Tharja and Aversa all have tragic backstories that do not involve Emmeryn's father's crusade in any way. Not even Validar, the leader of the Grimleal religion, Emmeryn's dad was trying to exterminate, mentions the crusade.

All things considered Emmeryn's dad is not relevant to the story as his crusade against the Grimleal didn't affect anyone in the story and Gangrel not caring about the crusade is relevant to Gangrel's page, not a page on Emmeryn's dad. Emperor Hardin (talk) 19:22, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I feel like that just glossed over completely what I said. It doesn't matter how genuine Gangrel's motivations are. The fact that Chrom's father is mentioned and is a significant character in the world remains even if Gangrel is lying, and, in fact, Gangrel lying just provides more information and context for the article. I have no doubt that if Awakening did bother to name him even once in dialogue then he would have had an article long ago. There are named and illustrated characters far less importance to the story and universe than Chrom's father. Chrom's father did things and existed in the world with an impact on it. It's not like the article is for someone like Sigurd's Mother who is only mentioned in passing. Jotari (talk) 09:50, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

How is Chrom's father a significant character to the world if he didn't affect Gangrel or any named character within the world outside of Emmeryn? Keep in mind, the Hierarch tutored and protected a young Emmeryn and he was also too minor to have an article?

How does Gangrel lying about his motivation make Chrom's father more important, if anything it makes him less as again he didn't affect anyone important? The only characters off the top of of my head that are less important than Chrom's father to the story I can think of are minor bosses, but they are at least important to the gameplay of the series unlike Emmeryn's dad. Sigurd's mother has no article.

What did Chrom's father really do to change things? The Grimleal were trying to cause the apocalypse beforehand, Gangrel's mother would still die and Plegia would still be a rough place. The only thing that'd change is Emmeryn being pacifistic.

Emperor Hardin (talk) 21:15, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

The fact that Gangrel is claiming it is an effect. It's there, in the script. It's not like it's just been made up. He's in the script talking about Chrom's father, a character, who did something in the backstory, a rather major something in starting a war. That is effecting people, that is effecting the world. We have a page for Cornelius, Marth's father. I could just as well claim Cornelius did nothing to impact any named characters because Marth never specifically mentions him as a motivator. Only we know that's just because of Shadow Dragon's writing style and that the death of Marth's parents (Liza too, whom gets even less attention) is important to him. I'd even go as far as to say Chrom's father has more presence in the game than either of Marth's, the only difference being that Marth's parents have names and we know specifically where they died. Jotari (talk) 07:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Cain specifically mentions Cornelius's last words and Marth mentions his desire to live up to those words in the prologue chapters of Shadow Dragon. It is also stated that the reason Marth and his knights go to Talys is that Cornelius was a good friend of its king, Mostyn. The story also mentions Cornelius losing the Falchion and Marth's desire to reclaim the sword and avenge his death due to Jiol's betrayal in all versions of [[Land_of_Sorrow_(Shadow_Dragon)|Land of Sorrow]. Even after Jiol's death, Camus specifically mentions his responsibility in Cornelius's death. A different game, Fire Emblem: Archanea Saga also mentions Cornelius fiercely battling the Sable order and interviews from Shouzou Kaga expand on Cornelius building up Altea's military into a small elite force of Knights. Cornelius is far more characterized than Emmeryn's dad and if he was removed, it would affect the plot immensely.

Chrom's father didn't affect anyone in the story outside of his daughter as we mentioned earlier, we don't see anyone or anything that'd really change the story with or without him. Emperor Hardin (talk) 08:34, 27 November 2023 (UTC)