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This will be a Community Page... We need to pretty it up.



I have archived the old community page to Fire_Emblem_Wiki:Ostia_Square/Archive 1 to make this a bit more pretty. The archive has a bunch of old details that do not apply anymore.

I also have added new sections to make it more understanding, hopefully. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 17:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Move Requests

Swordslayer (weapon) should be moved to swordslayer, as the other two swordslayer terms are unofficial translations, and should be a hatnote at best. PikaSamus (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Delete Requests

File:Is 3ds competitive.png should be deleted to make room for File:Is 3ds rivalry.png PikaSamus (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Done --Moydow (Support) 07:02, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Rename Requests

Fates Skills and Classes (2/29/16)

Some pages still contain the old names for skills and classes. Is there an admin who could batch rename all the links, pages, etc. to their new names. We could make a list below to be easier. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 17:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

List would be helpful, since I can't have the game yet. --Moydow (Support) 12:08, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay the list will be found here for now just to keep this page clean. Fire_Emblem_Wiki:Ostia_Square/Fates_Renaming_List -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 19:32, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Redirect overwrite problem

So my hand slipped onto the enter key while I was trying to move Expert Yumi to Spy's Yumi and my attempts to stop the request from sending and correct this seems to have done something weird, and now it's stuck at "Spy Yumi" and there's a redirect page in the way at Spy's Yumi. This is pretty embarrassing, but could somebody with the rights get rid of the Spy's Yumi redirect? --PA (talk) 00:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Should be all fixed up now. --Moydow (Support) 07:59, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Can Latona be moved to Latona (staff)/ or can the current Latona (staff) page be deleted?

For some reason Latona (staff) redirects to Latona. I was planning on making a Latona (character) page but I'd wanted to make a proper disambig page first. (which I need Latona (staff) for, as it will be the new page about the... uh... staff, and Latona could redirect to the disambig) L95 (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Couldn't you just add a hatnote to the current Latona page linking to the character? Most people will probably be looking for the staff. The same for Grado, too. PikaSamus (talk) 23:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I guess so, though I'd personally still like to have the staff at Latona (staff) and have Latona redirect to it but that's more my little irks, haha. L95 (talk) 03:43, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Lock Requests

Ostia Square/Archive (2/29/16)

Can we please lock Fire_Emblem_Wiki:Ostia_Square/Archive 1? -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 17:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Done --Moydow (Support) 12:08, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Promotion stat gains

Since Luck is a stat that changes upon promoting in Fates, I tried to fiddle with Template:PromotionGains to try to integrate the stat. Then I used Sakura's promotion gains as a test and it didn't show up right. I have since returned the template to the way it originally was. Any help on this? ChaosGallade (talk) 17:41, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Other Requests

Ancient Script

I was thinking we could start to add an ancient script page and translate the runes found in the Record Hall as well those seen in magic attacks. It may be useful information? -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 22:41, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Someone translated one of the stories from the Records Hall now. Source:
“A dragon neither white nor black,
saw his future self,
as no more than a caged beast;
A dragon neither white nor black,
sang three songs of prophecy,
so someday his soul might be released.”
So I think we really should add this to some page, if anyone is looking. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 16:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Not much translation is actually necessary, since the script dumps contain all of them in plain English. I'll slap them in a barebones page and somebody else can fill in the details later. --PA (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Vallian Generic Portraits

I randomly came across this and wonder if we should post it on here. Link to the genetic portraits. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 16:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I have the full portrait dump... and I forgot where I downloaded it from, so I went ahead and uploaded all the Vallite generics to this imgur album. There's 43 something portraits there, and I think I got all of them.L95 (talk) 03:45, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Willie on Wheels

I wasn't around when he was on his first vandalism spree, but now he's back vandalizing just about any random page. Can someone deal with this, please? ChaosGallade (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Thracia 776 Name Query

In trying to weed out the wanted pages, I've ran into some names I'd like to reconcile differences on. They are as follows:

  • List or Rist?
  • Mua or Moore?
  • Gustaf or Gustav?
  • Merlock or Marlock?
  • Linecock, Reincok, or Reinkoch?
  • Baldack or Baldoch?
  • Nicalaf or Nicolov?
  • Robos or Lobos?
  • Dobalzark or Dvorak?

Ordinarily I'd cross-reference the name chart, reconcile to the NoJ romanization if there is one or to the fan translation name otherwise; however, most of Thracia 776's bosses are conspicuously missing from the name chart...--Shiningpikablu252 (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

According to bookofholsety's name chart, the current fan translation uses List, Mua, Gustaf, Merlok, Rinecock, Baldak, Nicalaf, Robos, and Tobolzak. PikaSamus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Help with Template:ChapShop NES01

I tried making a chapter shop template for FE1. I removed the icon column because FE1 doesn't have any, but now it's stuck on the left (see the Marth Embarks page). Can someone with more knowledge on templates make it so it's stretched out to be the same width as the other ones? PikaSamus (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I figure, does it matter so much if we leave the item icons in? I see where you're coming from in choosing to omit them, but just about everyone who comes here for FE1 data has played that fan translation and we already lean heavily on them in general for a fair bit of this place's data, and IMO that's enough of a reason to just leave the icons here. That's basically what FE1 is to English fans, and official or not, that at least lends the patch and its icon contents some sort of status and credibility that makes it worth leaving them in here. --PA (talk) 18:30, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I believe that we should prioritize the Japanese versions above fan translations, with the fan translations and other unofficial material being trivia material at best, if not omitted. While fan translations are important to many Fire Emblem players, I feel that since they're not official, they shouldn't be here. Looking at all of the project and help pages, there's no policy on this. PikaSamus (talk) 23:36, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Your standpoint does make sense, don't get me wrong. It's definitely logically consistent, but at the same time its strictness strikes me as impractical. I know that we're only talking about weapon icons here and it isn't like their loss would be a great one, and I know I'm about to get into an extreme example myself, but divesting ourselves of fan translation content in general is a risky business in that there's really no viable alternative when it comes to script citations for those games. I figure it's easier, both on us and on the readers, to just accept their content.
I'm not saying we should uncritically take them at their word all the time, or that we should move every JP-only character page to match what fan translations call them (though I do feel that'd be better than having pages called "Raian" or "Qulyf", since nobody has ever called those two by those names), and if there's content missing from them then we certainly shouldn't take that as a gospel assertion that the content absolutely never existed (or in the case of the icons, that the content absolutely always existed). But all things considered, their unofficial nature doesn't outweigh their importance and how much we depend on their script work on a day-to-day basis, and if we can establish a suitable disclaimer on such pages (say, an icon in the top-right like what we put on featured pages) to clarify that fan translation content is present then I believe it'd be to our advantage to just accept them as substitutes for official localizations. As far as precedent goes I'd look to WikiBound and its handling of Mother 3 content, which just uses its fan translation straight-up, as an example of it being viable. Even if they aren't us, and even if Mother 3's fan translation is absolutely not a normal case, I figure if another NIWA wiki is doing it then that's something at least.
I know it's a bit silly of me to respond to a simple icon question with a huge rant, but there it is anyway. --PA (talk) 01:34, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
To answer the question of FE1 icons, I personally would have left them in, since there's only the one FE1 patch at the moment, and that's what 99.9%+ of our viewers who've played that game will have used.
I think this might be as good a time as any to actually discuss how we want to handle the Japan-only games and fan translations, though. Perhaps we should start a new section here for it? I think to a certain extent, we ought to cater to the content people will be most familiar with, since that's what people will type into Google and whatnot (which is therefore better for our search rankings and hits and so on), but of course there are all sorts of nuances therein, like which patch we should prioritise (though I think this is really only a question for FE4), and if there are some parts we shouldn't use (like with the current FE5 patch, and even some official content like that old Nintendo Power article that gave us Zigludo and the Descent of Jihad). That said, I do get the reasons why one would feel we should stick only to official content.
Which is why we ought to discuss formulating an actual policy, really. --Moydow (Support) 03:37, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Spoiler content/templates/soft redirects

This is something that's come up lately, so I felt it was important to get a discussion going on it. Right now, we simply put spoiler templates at the start of sections deemed to contain major spoiler content for a game's story, such as the Black Knight's true identity. But recently Geodude (TalkContributions) has introduced the {{soft redirect}} template, so that anyone browsing to e.g. the Black Knight's article doesn't immediately land upon the information about his true identity.

Personally, however, I feel that if you are visiting a wiki, you open yourself up to the possibility of spoilers the moment you click the link, and so we should not be responsible for protecting users from that content. We're here simply to provide information to readers, how they go about reading that information isn't our responsibility. Plus, in some ways basically everything is a spoiler, depending on how far into a game you are–how exactly should we decide what constitutes a spoiler in the first place? This discussion on Super Mario Wiki discusses a lot of what I think about spoiler templates. A number of other wikis handle it in this way, including the Mario and Zelda wikis, and they seem to do just fine. Thus, I would propose that we simply remove them entirely from the wiki, and place a "read at your own risk!" notice in the site notice and/or main page instead.

So as I see it, these are our options for dealing with this:

  1. The current situation: spoiler templates at the start of each section that might contain spoiler content, but no soft redirects or anything of the sort for pages like Zelgius
  2. Include soft redirects for pages like Zelgius with major spoilers, and retain spoiler templates for the remaining content
  3. Remove spoiler templates and soft redirects entirely, à la Mario Wiki, Zelda Wiki, etc.

Does anyone have any input on this, or other ways of dealing with them? --Moydow (Support) 21:39, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I believe that we needn't protect people from spoilers. Anything can be considered a spoiler by different people. In my opinion, if you are on a wiki, expect spoilers. I believe the spoiler template should be abolished and we can put a note on the site notice saying that the wiki contains unmarked spoilers (although this might not show up on the mobile website? I have no idea) PikaSamus (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
I also agree that as a wiki it shouldn't be obligated to protect people from spoilers, even for cases like me back when I had no idea who Chrom was in the Smash trailer. The format of using spoiler templates is just messy and inconsistent throughout the wiki, with some pages having hoards of marked spoilers while others (particularly the older games) have almost none. I think it would be best to simply remove the spoiler templates entirely and have the "read at your own risk" warning for the whole site.
This may be a personal bias but, if we do do the "read at your own risk" thing, can Masked Marth still be the icon for it? Fastesthe1 (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I personally am against #2. Both #1 and #3 are pretty reasonable, I'd readily go with #3 if it came to that, although that probably wouldn't stop me from using anti-spoiler redirects (i.e. Odin, Laslow, or what Black Knight (character) was before this situation arose) like I'd been doing in #1 before any mass relink projects were to start...--Shiningpikablu252 (talk) 03:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree with 3 for the same reasoning; everything could be considered a spoiler, and our current use of the spoiler template is also inconsistent, yeah. I think getting rid of the template is a good idea. L95 (talk) 03:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
If no-one else has any objections, I think we can go ahead with option 3 (removing spoiler templates entirely). I'll allow until Monday (18 September) for anyone else to speak up; if nothing comes up, I'll go ahead with it then. --Moydow (Support) 13:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
No objections, so let's get this show on the road. --Moydow (Support) 23:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

Character Gallery Guidelines

Hello! I'm here thanks to a suggestion from PikaSamus. There is a lot of inconsistency among character galleries on this Wiki, and - to be honest - it looks sloppy. the gallery layout for Marth looks very different from Ike, which is completely different from Corrin, and so on. I think it would be helpful for users and readers if there were set policy guidelines for how artwork should be arranged. Personally, from my experience on other wikis, I think the following organization would suit Fire Emblem Wiki well:

  • Artwork (professional artwork, renders, and illustrations from the video games and card games (all games - not just from Fire Emblem))
  • Miscellaneous (artwork, renders, and illustrations unaffiliated with the video games or card games (such as merchandise, or the OVA))
  • Sprites and assets (pretty self explanatory)
  • Screenshots (if present)

Additional notes:

  • Pieces within these categories would be arranged by chronological/game order.
  • Group artwork should be acceptable.

Here's an abridged version of what this may look like:


Sprites and assets

Sprite Gallery
Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light
Portrait marth fe01.png Lord
Bs fe01 marth lord sword 01.png
Bs fe01 marth lord sword 02.png
Mystery of the Emblem
Portrait marth 01 fe03.pngPortrait marth 02 fe03.pngPortrait marth 03 fe03.png Lord
Bs fe03 marth lord sword.png
Bs fe03 marth lord sword fireemblem.png
Sword and
Fire Emblem
New Mystery of the Emblem
Portrait marth fe12.png Lord
Bs fe11 marth lord sword.png

Please let me know what y'all think. If this wasn't the place to make this suggestion, please direct me to someplace else where I could. Thanks! Nintendo101 (talk) 21:19, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Here is a link to the discussion in question. PikaSamus (talk) 16:27, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
This seems like a good plan to me. I also think some characters might want a /Gallery subpage as well, since we're talking galleries. L95 (talk) 02:14, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
In regards to the merging of Fire Emblem and non-Fire Emblem gallery sections, I have a few words to say. The "other appearances" section heading was formerly titled "Non-canon", which I changed due to canon being a difficult concept to define. Would Shadow Dragon and the Blade of Light and Mystery of the Emblem be considered non-canon? After all, they had Nintendo DS remakes which Awakening and Heroes derive 90% or more of their Archanean content from. So, I changed it to other appearances to match the other "Other appearances" section.
However, this begs the question: what counts as a Fire Emblem game? We put BS Fire Emblem and Heroes artwork in the main part of the gallery, but we do not put Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE or Warriors material in the main section of the gallery. One could argue that BS Fire Emblem has identical gameplay to Mystery of the Emblem except with time-related events; and Heroes has gameplay that can be clearly defined as close to that of the main series, though with several deviations. And both of these games are developed by Intelligent Systems.
Tokyo Mirage Sessions has no resemblance to Fire Emblem in terms of gameplay aside from the names of stats, and Warriors, while it does take several elements from the mainline Fire Emblem titles, is still at its core a Dynasty Warriors video game. Neither of these games were developed by IS, being created by Atlus and Koei respectively with a license to use the Fire Emblem brand. As such, Tokyo Mirage Sessions has "FE" in its name, and Warriors has Fire Emblem. We also include art from both trading card games in the main artwork section, but we do not include images from the short-lived animated series, despite the fact that these both are non-video game material using the Fire Emblem brand.
What I am trying to say is that, I do not support the merging of Fire Emblem and non-Fire Emblem sections in the gallery, but we do need a new definition of what counts as Fire Emblem and what does not. PikaSamus (talk) 15:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
I agree that the language needs to be changed to more accurately define what counts as Fire Emblem vs. non-Fire Emblem, but I don't think such terminology exists and that one will fall into these linguistic, categorical problems indefinitely. Personally, I don't think there is much value to separate gallery images this way anyways. Artwork of Marth from Smash Bros. is equally as applicable as artwork from Shadow Dragon. Game appearances in the character infoboxes are not separated by whether they are Fire Emblem or non-Fire Emblem, but I won't lose sleep over it as long as the new categories make sense.
PikaSamus, how do feel about other aspects of this organizational scheme I suggested?
I agree that some characters may warrant their own gallery pages separate from the main articles. Nintendo101 (talk) 17:43, 12 March 2018 (UTC)