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This will be a Community Page... We need to pretty it up.

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Archive

I have archived the old community page to Fire_Emblem_Wiki:Ostia_Square/Archive 1 to make this a bit more pretty. The archive has a bunch of old details that do not apply anymore.

I also have added new sections to make it more understanding, hopefully. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 17:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Move Requests

Swordslayer (weapon) should be moved to swordslayer, as the other two swordslayer terms are unofficial translations, and should be a hatnote at best. PikaSamus (talk) 17:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

Delete Requests

File:Is 3ds competitive.png should be deleted to make room for File:Is 3ds rivalry.png PikaSamus (talk) 21:34, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Done --Moydow (Support) 07:02, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Rename Requests

Fates Skills and Classes (2/29/16)

Some pages still contain the old names for skills and classes. Is there an admin who could batch rename all the links, pages, etc. to their new names. We could make a list below to be easier. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 17:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

List would be helpful, since I can't have the game yet. --Moydow (Support) 12:08, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay the list will be found here for now just to keep this page clean. Fire_Emblem_Wiki:Ostia_Square/Fates_Renaming_List -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 19:32, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Redirect overwrite problem

So my hand slipped onto the enter key while I was trying to move Expert Yumi to Spy's Yumi and my attempts to stop the request from sending and correct this seems to have done something weird, and now it's stuck at "Spy Yumi" and there's a redirect page in the way at Spy's Yumi. This is pretty embarrassing, but could somebody with the rights get rid of the Spy's Yumi redirect? --PA (talk) 00:48, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Should be all fixed up now. --Moydow (Support) 07:59, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Can Latona be moved to Latona (staff)/ or can the current Latona (staff) page be deleted?

For some reason Latona (staff) redirects to Latona. I was planning on making a Latona (character) page but I'd wanted to make a proper disambig page first. (which I need Latona (staff) for, as it will be the new page about the... uh... staff, and Latona could redirect to the disambig) L95 (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Couldn't you just add a hatnote to the current Latona page linking to the character? Most people will probably be looking for the staff. The same for Grado, too. PikaSamus (talk) 23:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I guess so, though I'd personally still like to have the staff at Latona (staff) and have Latona redirect to it but that's more my little irks, haha. L95 (talk) 03:43, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Lock Requests

Ostia Square/Archive (2/29/16)

Can we please lock Fire_Emblem_Wiki:Ostia_Square/Archive 1? -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 17:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Done --Moydow (Support) 12:08, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Promotion stat gains

Since Luck is a stat that changes upon promoting in Fates, I tried to fiddle with Template:PromotionGains to try to integrate the stat. Then I used Sakura's promotion gains as a test and it didn't show up right. I have since returned the template to the way it originally was. Any help on this? ChaosGallade (talk) 17:41, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Other Requests

Ancient Script

I was thinking we could start to add an ancient script page and translate the runes found in the Record Hall as well those seen in magic attacks. It may be useful information? -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 22:41, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Someone translated one of the stories from the Records Hall now. Source: http://blumenkraanze.tumblr.com/post/141051396821/i-figured-out-the-ancient-texts-in-fire-emblem
“A dragon neither white nor black,
saw his future self,
as no more than a caged beast;
A dragon neither white nor black,
sang three songs of prophecy,
so someday his soul might be released.”
So I think we really should add this to some page, if anyone is looking. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 16:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Not much translation is actually necessary, since the script dumps contain all of them in plain English. I'll slap them in a barebones page and somebody else can fill in the details later. --PA (talk) 22:06, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Vallian Generic Portraits

I randomly came across this and wonder if we should post it on here. Link to the genetic portraits. -- Izagar  (My Talk Page) (My Contributions) 16:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I have the full portrait dump... and I forgot where I downloaded it from, so I went ahead and uploaded all the Vallite generics to this imgur album. There's 43 something portraits there, and I think I got all of them.L95 (talk) 03:45, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Willie on Wheels

I wasn't around when he was on his first vandalism spree, but now he's back vandalizing just about any random page. Can someone deal with this, please? ChaosGallade (talk) 23:34, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Thracia 776 Name Query

In trying to weed out the wanted pages, I've ran into some names I'd like to reconcile differences on. They are as follows:

  • List or Rist?
  • Mua or Moore?
  • Gustaf or Gustav?
  • Merlock or Marlock?
  • Linecock, Reincok, or Reinkoch?
  • Baldack or Baldoch?
  • Nicalaf or Nicolov?
  • Robos or Lobos?
  • Dobalzark or Dvorak?

Ordinarily I'd cross-reference the name chart, reconcile to the NoJ romanization if there is one or to the fan translation name otherwise; however, most of Thracia 776's bosses are conspicuously missing from the name chart...--Shiningpikablu252 (talk) 23:43, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

According to bookofholsety's name chart, the current fan translation uses List, Mua, Gustaf, Merlok, Rinecock, Baldak, Nicalaf, Robos, and Tobolzak. PikaSamus (talk) 00:01, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Help with Template:ChapShop NES01

I tried making a chapter shop template for FE1. I removed the icon column because FE1 doesn't have any, but now it's stuck on the left (see the Marth Embarks page). Can someone with more knowledge on templates make it so it's stretched out to be the same width as the other ones? PikaSamus (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

I figure, does it matter so much if we leave the item icons in? I see where you're coming from in choosing to omit them, but just about everyone who comes here for FE1 data has played that fan translation and we already lean heavily on them in general for a fair bit of this place's data, and IMO that's enough of a reason to just leave the icons here. That's basically what FE1 is to English fans, and official or not, that at least lends the patch and its icon contents some sort of status and credibility that makes it worth leaving them in here. --PA (talk) 18:30, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
I believe that we should prioritize the Japanese versions above fan translations, with the fan translations and other unofficial material being trivia material at best, if not omitted. While fan translations are important to many Fire Emblem players, I feel that since they're not official, they shouldn't be here. Looking at all of the project and help pages, there's no policy on this. PikaSamus (talk) 23:36, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Your standpoint does make sense, don't get me wrong. It's definitely logically consistent, but at the same time its strictness strikes me as impractical. I know that we're only talking about weapon icons here and it isn't like their loss would be a great one, and I know I'm about to get into an extreme example myself, but divesting ourselves of fan translation content in general is a risky business in that there's really no viable alternative when it comes to script citations for those games. I figure it's easier, both on us and on the readers, to just accept their content.
I'm not saying we should uncritically take them at their word all the time, or that we should move every JP-only character page to match what fan translations call them (though I do feel that'd be better than having pages called "Raian" or "Qulyf", since nobody has ever called those two by those names), and if there's content missing from them then we certainly shouldn't take that as a gospel assertion that the content absolutely never existed (or in the case of the icons, that the content absolutely always existed). But all things considered, their unofficial nature doesn't outweigh their importance and how much we depend on their script work on a day-to-day basis, and if we can establish a suitable disclaimer on such pages (say, an icon in the top-right like what we put on featured pages) to clarify that fan translation content is present then I believe it'd be to our advantage to just accept them as substitutes for official localizations. As far as precedent goes I'd look to WikiBound and its handling of Mother 3 content, which just uses its fan translation straight-up, as an example of it being viable. Even if they aren't us, and even if Mother 3's fan translation is absolutely not a normal case, I figure if another NIWA wiki is doing it then that's something at least.
I know it's a bit silly of me to respond to a simple icon question with a huge rant, but there it is anyway. --PA (talk) 01:34, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
To answer the question of FE1 icons, I personally would have left them in, since there's only the one FE1 patch at the moment, and that's what 99.9%+ of our viewers who've played that game will have used.
I think this might be as good a time as any to actually discuss how we want to handle the Japan-only games and fan translations, though. Perhaps we should start a new section here for it? I think to a certain extent, we ought to cater to the content people will be most familiar with, since that's what people will type into Google and whatnot (which is therefore better for our search rankings and hits and so on), but of course there are all sorts of nuances therein, like which patch we should prioritise (though I think this is really only a question for FE4), and if there are some parts we shouldn't use (like with the current FE5 patch, and even some official content like that old Nintendo Power article that gave us Zigludo and the Descent of Jihad). That said, I do get the reasons why one would feel we should stick only to official content.
Which is why we ought to discuss formulating an actual policy, really. --Moydow (Support) 03:37, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Spoiler content/templates/soft redirects

This is something that's come up lately, so I felt it was important to get a discussion going on it. Right now, we simply put spoiler templates at the start of sections deemed to contain major spoiler content for a game's story, such as the Black Knight's true identity. But recently Geodude (TalkContributions) has introduced the {{soft redirect}} template, so that anyone browsing to e.g. the Black Knight's article doesn't immediately land upon the information about his true identity.

Personally, however, I feel that if you are visiting a wiki, you open yourself up to the possibility of spoilers the moment you click the link, and so we should not be responsible for protecting users from that content. We're here simply to provide information to readers, how they go about reading that information isn't our responsibility. Plus, in some ways basically everything is a spoiler, depending on how far into a game you are–how exactly should we decide what constitutes a spoiler in the first place? This discussion on Super Mario Wiki discusses a lot of what I think about spoiler templates. A number of other wikis handle it in this way, including the Mario and Zelda wikis, and they seem to do just fine. Thus, I would propose that we simply remove them entirely from the wiki, and place a "read at your own risk!" notice in the site notice and/or main page instead.

So as I see it, these are our options for dealing with this:

  1. The current situation: spoiler templates at the start of each section that might contain spoiler content, but no soft redirects or anything of the sort for pages like Zelgius
  2. Include soft redirects for pages like Zelgius with major spoilers, and retain spoiler templates for the remaining content
  3. Remove spoiler templates and soft redirects entirely, à la Mario Wiki, Zelda Wiki, etc.

Does anyone have any input on this, or other ways of dealing with them? --Moydow (Support) 21:39, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

I believe that we needn't protect people from spoilers. Anything can be considered a spoiler by different people. In my opinion, if you are on a wiki, expect spoilers. I believe the spoiler template should be abolished and we can put a note on the site notice saying that the wiki contains unmarked spoilers (although this might not show up on the mobile website? I have no idea) PikaSamus (talk) 17:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
I also agree that as a wiki it shouldn't be obligated to protect people from spoilers, even for cases like me back when I had no idea who Chrom was in the Smash trailer. The format of using spoiler templates is just messy and inconsistent throughout the wiki, with some pages having hoards of marked spoilers while others (particularly the older games) have almost none. I think it would be best to simply remove the spoiler templates entirely and have the "read at your own risk" warning for the whole site.
This may be a personal bias but, if we do do the "read at your own risk" thing, can Masked Marth still be the icon for it? Fastesthe1 (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
I personally am against #2. Both #1 and #3 are pretty reasonable, I'd readily go with #3 if it came to that, although that probably wouldn't stop me from using anti-spoiler redirects (i.e. Odin, Laslow, or what Black Knight (character) was before this situation arose) like I'd been doing in #1 before any mass relink projects were to start...--Shiningpikablu252 (talk) 03:22, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
I agree with 3 for the same reasoning; everything could be considered a spoiler, and our current use of the spoiler template is also inconsistent, yeah. I think getting rid of the template is a good idea. L95 (talk) 03:28, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
If no-one else has any objections, I think we can go ahead with option 3 (removing spoiler templates entirely). I'll allow until Monday (18 September) for anyone else to speak up; if nothing comes up, I'll go ahead with it then. --Moydow (Support) 13:53, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
No objections, so let's get this show on the road. --Moydow (Support) 23:30, 18 September 2017 (UTC)